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A magic school like no other! That's not to mention the fact that Mongoose Traveller 2nd edition is based on the very same ruleset Cepheus is. No one is saying Cepheus is better laid out, but it's certainly more worth the price they are charging See more for it. B Cepheus Engine is cheap by comparison and that is all.
The Mongoose Traveller 2nd Edition is an evolution from that, based on trying to improve the game based on customer feedback. A lot of customer feedback from 1st edition was about improving layout and presentation - and that is what they did. If people were truly happy with Cepheus Engine products, then why hang around Discussion threads for Mongoose Traveller products bemoaning their costs?
A My criticism is valid. If you'd care to indicate exactly which comments are not valid, we can continue from there. Historically, Mongoose publications have been rife with textual errors. I won't harp on that because the entire RPG publishing industry seems to be incapable of publishing error-free books. Cepheus also provides some great roleplaying experiences. B Rather than "cheap", I'd write "inexpensive" by comparison.
THAT is the point of my comment. While Mongoose's products are more shiny and pretty, those qualities do not necessarily make for a better gaming experience, unless one's gaming experience depends upon art and flashy layout. C Cepheus provides for far more than "a stick for some critics It provides for high quality gaming experiences for those with imagination See more and a lack of dependence upon slick layout and fancy graphics.
I do not hang out in product descriptions. I received an announcement that an updated pdf was available for a product and took advantage of that invitation to check it out. My return to this thread is based upon notices that you replied to my comment. That is NOT "hanging out". I hope that you enjoy many years of gaming while using Mongoose's publications, Rory. There is no insult when customers have the choice to pay for it or not. It is a luxury item, and it does not invalidate previous purchases of the core book.
Even the biggest companies, like Wizards of the Coast publish errata after new book releases - it is not anything exclusive to Mongoose. When you complain to Mongoose, they have a track record of being responsive and correcting them accordingly - as they have done already with this product B Cepheus is cheap by design. Their entire existence is as a retro clone based on an old OGL. Another invalid criticism. C You are proving the point of Cepheus merely being used as a stick to beat Mongoose Traveller products with - by your very comments here, on a Traveller discussion thread.
I agree. No printing, shipping, or warehousing costs. It is the cost of paying staff a working wage to make this stuff that makes up most of the price. Mongoose are one of the few RPG businesses that do this. You are doing a pretty good job of selling Cepheus to me! Again, all you are doing here it trying to engage in antagonism on this thread.
You have no other purpose here. This should be included or discounted for current buyers. Total slap in the face. It has a new graphical layout, designed afresh from a team of professional designers. In the same sense that Call of Cthulhu has just produced an 40th Anniversary edition, or Pendragon produced multiple versions of their 5th edition with different designs, or the Doctor Who RPG has produced new versions of their game without major rules changes, this is the same sort of thing.
It is explicitly not a new edition of the game. Rory, it is not about feeling "entitled" or wanting something for free. Mongoose should be able to make money off of their work. If you want to foolishly pay too much for digital content, knock yourself out. I disagree. This is a complete rulebook, with a new layout and art. New layout designers and artists need to get paid.
For me, I am looking forward to a leatherette cover special edition of this book, and I am thankful to be able to buy such a product. If you want to pay for that, knock yourself out. I hope they didn't pay a lot of money for that layout because it doesn't look professional at all.
It looks like something you would see in mid to late 90s design. If you were to compare it to some of the other designs done by other major table top RPG companies it would not hold well. It is missing a lot of the advanced design elements.
Don't get me wrong. If this layout were applied to any of the amateur products that are on here it would be pretty good. Regrading your comment on entitlement. You can bet your sweet xxx. If I am paying for a product I definitely entitled to my opinion on it and what I want in the product.
If they are bad comments roll with it and find the positive in the comment. If the comment is good enjoy it for a bit and then analysis it to see how you can improve. Is anybody here, who are criticizing, actually paying for anything? Or are they just complaining that they refuse to pay for it? I disagree with your analysis of the layout and art. Certainly, if you are comparing Traveller products from the mid-late 90s, they were generally all black and white with a few inserted colour plates, and little layout work beyond text in columns.
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Though many civilizations thrived before humanity rose to prominence, humans have built some of the greatest and the most terrible societies throughout the course of history, and today they are the most populous people in the realms around the Inner Sea. The most notable half-humans are half-elves Their empires and nations are vast, sprawling things, and half-orcs. Society Humanity is diverse and tumultuous, running the gamut Human variety also manifests in terms of their from nomadic to imperial, sinister to saintly.
Many of governments, attitudes, and social norms. Some humans assemble into vast raging hordes, while others build Others Probably Humans have a wide variety of skin and hair Unlike many ancestral cultures, which colors, body types, and facial features.
Humans few years later. A typical human can live to be around 90 throughout much of the world speak Common years old. Humans often intermarry with people of other though some continents on Golarion have. Human characters can be any of these ethnicities, regardless of what lands they call home. Ability Boosts Two free ability boosts Feats. Half-Elves Languages Equipment A half-elf is born to an elf and a human, or to two half-elves.
The life of a half-elf Common can be difficult, often marked by a struggle to fit in. Instead, positive. Choose from the list of most half-elves attempt to find acceptance in either human or elven settlements. Half-elves lack the almost alien eyes of their access such as the languages elf parents, though they do have a natural presence—and often a striking beauty— prevalent in your region. Playing the that leads many to become artists or entertainers. Human Game Half-elves live longer than other humans, often reaching an age around years.
This gives you access to elf and half-elf ancestry feats in addition to human ancestry feats. Because some allow you to be the offspring intolerant people see orcs as more akin to monsters than people, they sometimes of an elf, orc, or different hate and fear half-orcs simply due to their lineage.
This commonly pushes half-orcs ancestry. In these cases, the to the margins of society, where some find work in manual labor or as mercenaries, GM will let you select the and others fall into crime or cruelty. The most likely Humans often assume half-orcs are unintelligent or uncivilized, and half-orcs rarely other parent of a half-elf find acceptance among societies with many such folk. To an orc tribe, a half-orc is are gnomes and halflings, considered smart enough to make a good war leader but weaker physically than other and the most likely parents orcs.
Many half-orcs thus end up having low status among orc tribes unless they can of a half-orc are goblins, prove their strength. Instead, their heritages either reveal their potential as a people or reflect lineages from multiple ancestries.
Choose one of the following human heritages at 1st level. Half-Elf Either one of your parents was an elf, or one or both were half-elves. You have pointed ears and other telltale signs of elf heritage. In addition, you can select elf, half-elf, and human feats whenever you gain an ancestry feat.
Half-Orc One of your parents was an orc, or one or both were half-orcs. You have a green tinge to your skin and other indicators of orc heritage. Skilled Heritage Your ingenuity allows you to train in a wide variety of skills. You become trained in one skill of your choice. At 5th level, you become an expert in the chosen skill.
Select a general feat of your choice for which you meet the prerequisites as with your ancestry feat, you can select this general feat at any point during character creation. Human Ancestry Feats At 1st level, you gain one ancestry feat, and you gain an additional ancestry feat every 4 levels thereafter at 5th, 9th, 13th, and 17th levels.
As a human, you choose from among the following ancestry feats. You gain access to that weapon, and for the purpose of Classes a spell to suit your spellcasting style. Choose one cantrip determining your proficiency, that weapon is a simple weapon.
If you have a If you are trained in all martial weapons, you can choose Skills spell repertoire or a spellbook, replace one of the cantrips you an uncommon advanced weapon with such a trait.
You gain know or have in your spellbook with the chosen spell. You gain that spell, adding it to your spell bonus on checks to Aid. You gain a 1st-level general feat. You must select the spell as a signature spell if you have a spell repertoire. You gain the Untrained Improvisation general feat. If you roll a success on a saving throw against a 9TH LEVEL mental effect that attempts to directly control your actions, you critically succeed instead.
If you HUMAN are at least an expert in the skill you are Aiding, you get a success You were raised to be ambitious and always reach for the stars, on any outcome rolled to Aid other than a critical success. You gain a 1st-level class feat for your class. HUMAN A stroke of brilliance gives you a major advantage with a skill Your ingenuity allows you to learn a wide variety of skills. You despite your inexperience. Whenever you gain a class feature score prerequisites.
Half-Elf and Half-Orc Ancestry Feats A human with elf or orc blood is called a half-elf or half-orc, respectively, which is represented by the corresponding heritage.
Half-Elf Ancestry Feats The following feats are available to half-elves. You gain the benefits of the elf heritage of your elven parent or ancestors. Whenever you critically succeed at a skill check, you automatically qualify to use the Aid reaction when attempting to help an ally using the same skill, even without spending an action to prepare to do so.
You are trained with the falchion Introduction charm as an arcane innate spell once per day. In addition, you gain access to all uncommon orc weapons. Some of advanced orc weapons are martial weapons. You also gain with the energy to fight a bit longer despite your wounds.
You avoid being knocked out and remain You steep yourself in superstition and practice ancient orc at 1 Hit Point, and your wounded condition increases by 1. You gain darkvision, allowing you to see in darkness and dim light just as well as you can in bright light.
Trigger You attempt a saving throw against a spell or magical effect, before rolling. Backgrounds Backgrounds allow you to customize your character based on their life before adventuring.
This is the next step in their life story after their ancestry, which reflects the circumstances of their birth. Consider what events set your character on their path to the life of an adventurer and how those circumstances relate to their background. At 1st level when you create your character, you gain a Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Wisdom or background of your choice. This decision is permanent; Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.
You gain the Train Animal skill feat. If a Lore skill hours, a young tailor sewing garments of all kinds, or a involves a choice for instance, a choice of terrain , explain shipwright shaping the hulls of ships.
You gain the Specialty Crafting skill feat. Skill feats expand the functions of your skills and appear in Chapter 5: Feats.
You may have traveled out into the world to spread Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Dexterity or the message of your religion or because you cast away the Charisma, and one is a free ability boost. You within you the lessons you learned. Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Intelligence or Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Student of the Canon skill feat. You worked in a bar, where you learned how to hold your liquor and rowdily socialize.
One must be to Constitution or In a circus or on the streets, you earned your pay by Charisma, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Hobnobber skill feat. You gain the Steady Balance skill feat. You have always felt a connection to animals, and it was Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Intelligence or only a small leap to learn to train them.
As you travel, you Charisma, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Group Impression skill feat. One must be to Dexterity or Bringing in lawbreakers lined your pockets. Maybe you had an Intelligence, and one is a free ability boost. Your skill. You gain the Experienced Smuggler skill feat. One must be to Strength or You solved crimes as a police inspector or took jobs for Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost.
One must be to Intelligence or You traveled from place to place, peddling false fortunes and Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. Becoming an adventurer might be skill. You gain the Streetwise skill feat. As a diplomat or messenger, you traveled to lands far and Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Intelligence or wide. Communicating with new people and forming alliances Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.
One must be to Intelligence or Lore skill. You gain the Charming Liar skill feat. Charisma, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Multilingual As an unscrupulous independent or as a member of an skill feat. Through an education in the arts or sheer dogged practice,.
You might have been an Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Strength or actor, a dancer, a musician, a street magician, or any other Charisma, and one is a free ability boost. One must be to Dexterity or Lore skill. You gain the Impressive Performance skill feat.
You gain the Fascinating Performance skill feat. You served in the guard, out of either patriotism or the need for coin. Either way, you know how to get a difficult suspect to talk. Your farm could have Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Strength or been razed by invaders, you could have lost the family tying Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.
Warfare Lore skill. You gain the Quick Coercion skill feat. One must be to Constitution or Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Assurance skill feat with Athletics. In the chaotic rush of battle, you learned to adapt to rapidly Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Constitution or changing conditions as you administered to battle casualties. Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost.
You gain the Natural Medicine skill feat. You gain the Battle Medic skill feat. Adventuring might represent your first foray out among other people in some time. You might have used these skills to guide your community, or Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Constitution or simply to make money. But even the slightest peek into these Intelligence, and one is a free ability boost. One must be to Intelligence or skill related to the terrain you lived in as a hermit such as Cave Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.
Lore or Desert Lore. You gain the Dubious Knowledge skill feat. You gain the Oddity Identification skill feat. Skinning animals, harvesting their flesh, and cooking The thrill of the win drew you into games of chance. This them were also part of your training, all of which can give you might have been a lucrative sideline that paled in comparison useful resources while you adventure.
One must be to Dexterity or hard times due to your gambling and pursued adventuring as Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. One must be to Dexterity or skill. You gain the Survey Wildlife skill feat. You gain the Lie to Me skill feat. It was a difficult life, but you somehow survived.
Your skill at drawing both blood Choose two ability boosts. Constitution, and one is a free ability boost. As an adventurer, you You dedicated yourself to intense training and rigorous travel still, often into even more dangerous places. Backgrounds study to become a great warrior. The school you attended Choose two ability boosts.
One must be to Constitution or might have been a traditionalist monastery, an elite Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. One must be to Strength or Lore. You gain the Assurance skill feat with Survival. Dexterity, and one is a free ability boost. You gain a skill feat: Cat Fall if you chose Acrobatics or You might have been imprisoned for crimes whether you were Equipment Quick Jump if you chose Athletics. In your adventuring life, you take full advantage of your Spells newfound freedom.
One must be to Strength or In a dusty shop, market stall, or merchant caravan, you Constitution, and one is a free ability boost. The Age of bartered wares for coin and trade goods. Playing the Choose two ability boosts. You heard the call of the sea from a young age. You gain the Bargain Hunter skill feat. Adventuring might have seemed You gain the Underwater Marauder skill feat. You have a knack for learning, and sequestered yourself Choose two ability boosts. One must be to Strength or from the outside world to learn all you could.
You read Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Terrain Expertise skill feat with underground terrain. One must be to Intelligence or Charisma, and one is a free ability boost.
You gain the Courtly Graces skill feat. One must be to Dexterity or and always dreamed about one day seeing the real things. One must be to Intelligence or Lore. You gain the Pickpocket skill feat. Your engineering skills take a particularly Lore skill. It might be a genius device with tremendous potential You called the wilderness home as you found trails and guided Choose two ability boosts.
One must be to Dexterity or travelers. Your wanderlust could have called you to the Intelligence, and one is a free ability boost. One must be to Dexterity or Wisdom, and one is a free ability boost. You gain the Forager skill feat.
You eked out a living by picking pockets on the streets of Choose two ability boosts. You gain the Intimidating Glare skill feat. Being able to speak these tongues can help you with negotiation, spying on enemies, or just conducting simple commerce. Languages also afford you the Classes chance to contextualize your character in the world and give meaning to your other Skills character choices. Typically, this means you can both speak and read Language Speakers Equipment these languages.
Having a positive Intelligence modifier Abyssal Demons grants a number of additional languages equal to your Aklo Deros, evil fey, otherworldly monsters Spells Intelligence modifier. If your Intelligence changes later on, Ignan Fire elemental creatures you adjust your number of languages accordingly.
Infernal Devils Playing the The languages presented here are grouped according to Necril Ghouls, intelligent undead Game how common they are throughout the Inner Sea region. Druidic Druids Druidic is a secret language, and is available only to characters who are druids. In fact, druids are prohibited Appendix from teaching the language to non-druids described Regional Languages further in Anathema on page Chapter 8: The Age of Lost Omens lists the in their adventuring career.
These languages are uncommon. This is Table 2—2: Uncommon Languages. Other abilities and the most widely used language in the region where the effects might grant access to common or uncommon campaign takes place. In the Inner Sea region of Golarion, languages, as detailed in their descriptions.
Characters with Common might face a language barrier if they travel somewhere with a different Common language. However, you might Elven Elves, half-elves know the signed version of a language or know how to read Gnomish Gnomes lips. If you are creating a character who is Halfling Halflings deaf, hard of hearing, or unable to speak, discuss with your Jotun Giants, ogres, trolls, ettins, cyclopes GM whether it makes sense for your character to know sign Orcish Orcs, half-orcs languages or lip reading.
Groups of players often create characters whose skills and abilities complement Classes each other mechanically—for example, ensuring your party includes a healer, a combat- oriented character, a stealthy character, and someone with command over magic—so you Skills may wish to discuss options with your group before deciding.
The rules within each class allow you to bring a wealth various abilities, equipment, and skills; special abilities Equipment of character concepts to life. Perhaps you want to create from their class features; and more. Or perhaps you course of your campaign. The choices you make for your character within on how others view them.
Many of your most useful and powerful the dizzying heights of power at 20th level. In addition to abilities are tied to this ability in some way.
If your character is a member of a spellcasting your character stronger when you get enough class, this key ability is used to calculate spell DCs and Experience Points to reach a new level. For or a familiar to share your adventures with. A fighter who chooses companion or familiar to use these rules.
Though these rules are not they gain an ability boost to their key ability score, recommended for beginners, the archetypes in this increasing that ability score by 2. For more about ability book allow you to gain abilities from other classes boosts, see page Each class provides your character equals your Constitution modifier plus a fixed number.
Unless engage in trickery gain fewer. This section specifies the levels at which your character gains class feats—special feats that only members of that Initial Proficiencies class can access.
Specific class feats initial proficiencies. Proficiency ranks range from trained to legendary. For Skill Feats instance, a character who is trained with a longbow can use it This section specifies the levels at which your character effectively, while a person who is legendary with the weapon gains feats with the skill trait, called skill feats.
Skill might be able to split an arrow from paces away! At 2nd level and every 2 levels thereafter, most proficiency rank in Perception, saving throws, attacks, classes gain a skill feat, though rogues gain them earlier defenses, and either spells or class DC.
You gain the trained and more often. Your character must be trained in the proficiency rank in at least one skill that is important to corresponding skill to take a skill feat.
Most classes grant a general feat at another skill to become trained in. At each of these A proficiency rank can unlock various feats and class levels, you can select any general feat including skill features, and it also helps determine the modifier for any feats as long as your character qualifies for it.
More check you roll or DC you calculate related to that statistic. For can increase their proficiency rank in a skill. At 3rd level more about proficiency ranks, see page Advancement Table Ability Boosts This table summarizes the feats, skill increases, ability boosts, At 5th level and every 5 levels thereafter, your character and other benefits your character gains as they advance in boosts four different ability scores.
Your character can level. The first column of the class table indicates a level, and use these ability boosts to increase their ability scores the second column lists each feature your character receives above Boosting an ability score increases it by 1 if when they reach that level. For more about ability boosts and applying them during character creation, see page Class Features This section presents all the abilities the class grants Ancestry Feats your character.
All classes your character gains at 5th, 9th, 13th, and 17th levels. Many class Chapter 2, which begins on page Smart defending allies from harm. A master Backgrounds and resourceful, an alchemist often has of the battlefield, the fighter is quick to just the right tool for the job and esoteric exploit opportunities and strike any who knowledge to help their friends get out of a jam.
Skills Barbarian Page 82 Monk Page The barbarian is a fearsome embodiment The monk seeks perfection in all things, Feats of rage, focusing the deadly power and that includes transforming their of their anger against anyone who body into the perfect weapon.
They Equipment stands in their way. A barbarian is can be walking with calm purpose quick to enter battle and, once their fury and contemplating the subtleties Spells has been unleashed, is immensely strong, of existence in one minute and then often unpredictable, and nearly unstoppable.
The Age of Lost OMENS Bard Page 94 Ranger Page An artist and a scholar, the bard uses Resourceful and cunning, the ranger Playing the performance and esoteric learning to is a hunter, tracker, and warrior who Game bolster their companions and foil their preserves the natural world and enemies. Sometimes sneaky and quite protects civilization from its ravages.
Game often charming, the bard adventures Whether they use a bow, crossbow, mastering with pizzazz and talent backed up by a pair of weapons, or snares, the ranger an impressive repertoire of occult magic. In battle, they excel at and vanquishes evil.
Steadfast in their sneak attacks and ambushes. Their beliefs, and devoted to both a deity and racket gives them the tools they need an aspect of good, they follow a strict code to get the job done, and their wide array of as they fight to make the world a better place. Cleric Page Sorcerer Page The cleric is dedicated to the The intense magic the sorcerer worship of a single deity and draws commands comes from neither divine magic from this devotion. Druid Page Wizard Page The druid walks the wild, primordial The wizard is the arcane master of places of the world without fear, spellcasting, plucking incredible power harnessing the primal magic of nature from reality through complicated and controlling it with calm purpose.
They stride with A devotee of the wilderness, the druid confidence, without a need for armor finds nourishment in its power, allies or weapons, enacting their will upon the among its creatures, and strength in its fury. You are fearless in the face of risk, hurling explosive or toxic creations at your foes. Your Skills unique path toward greatness is lined with alchemical brews that push your mind and body to their limits.
You The Age of an ability boost to Intelligence. Game During combat encounters At higher levels, your mutagens warp your body into a resilient mastering and powerful weapon. Trained in Crafting You keep an eye out for trouble with your bombs at the ready, while giving advice Trained in a number of on all things alchemical and mysterious. Trained in simple weapons Trained in alchemical bombs You Might
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